UN4 on the PS3

[TigerC10]

JMK1999 wrote:

never said he was or wasn't the smartest guy... i really don't care one way or the other... the point in case was that he wasn't completely right with the instance of this particular game. games, whether it's the developer of sony, don't always work right. he said it was one update to fix everything... now whether he meant that according to each particular update or not, i don't know... this is not always the case. point being, there are often several updates that occur before any given game works on the ps3. uzumaki chronicles took AGES to work. i felt like i totally wasted my money on it. actually, after it finally worked more than a year after i bought it, i still felt like i wasted my money cause it was a lame game... but that's not the point here. uzumaki chronicles never worked... un1 and 2 did... eventually... but that was way before UC did (as though no one cared about fixing that game). i don't know how it works exactly, but to say one update fixes all problems and you're good to go on the ps3 is false. one update may fix it, but that's not the only update you're making to the firmware. he made it sound as though the initial update when you first get the system would allow for all games to work right off the bat (a case that is ONLY true with the 60 GB). mistake in communicating exactly what he meant? maybe. but surely not correct the way he said it to begin with. i would have agreed with him if what he said was in fact true. but it wasn't.



anyway, the point of this discussion is not to argue the process, the point is hoping it's gonna work fairly quickly after the game comes out.



No no, there is a distinct difference between an optional update patch (what you were talking about) and a firmware update (what you were thinking about). *There has only been 1 update patch to backwards compatability that has ever been released on the Playstation Store. *I never stated that this fixed all of the problems (no idea why you assumed I did), but I know plenty of people who said it fixed their UN3 experience. *This update patch is fully optional, I'm sure there are plenty of people who still haven't downloaded it. *All it does is improve backwards compatability on the 80GB PS3s.

The firmware updates (which is probably what you had in mind) apply to everything about the PS3 - they're not optional, in order to access anything online you have to download the firmware update. *Sometimes these firmware updates fix bugs with the backwards compatability. *Other times they don't. *The important difference here is that firmware updates do not equate to backwards compatability updates. *As time goes on, Sony will perfect the virtual PS2 inside the PS3. *Once it's perfected, they won't be able to release new updates for it because there's nothing to fix. *Even if new PS2 games are released, the virtual PS2 is perfect and acts exactly like a real PS2 - so why should you assume that they should release an update for it? *As I said before, some of PS2 games that get released after the PS3 don't have any problems running on PS3s. *They don't depend on functions of the virtual PS2 that have bugs, so why would they put out an update? *Why do you assume that all PS2 games released after the PS3 will depend on functions of the PS2 not present in the PS3?




"I do hope that Namco-Bandai gets on the updates for it to work on the PS3 quickly."

Your mistake was stating that Namco/Bandai releases updates for the backwards compatability. *There is only one official "backwards compatabilty" update in the Playstation Store. *My original statement holds true. *There has been only 1 update patch released (which applies to all PS2 titles, not just a select few). *Because you mistakenly stated that you wanted Namco/Bandai to release an update, I misunderstood your meaning - I thought you expected them to release a special download in the Playstation Store to make the game work on PS3s.

But now that I know you were thinking about firmware updates the whole time... *Well... *How could you have thought that Namco/Bandai releases firmware updates to the PS3? *The updates to which you had in mind update the entire PS3 system (you can see the difference in the version number on your system information screen). *How would Namco/Bandai have permission to mess with the entire PS3? *How would it be possible for Namco/Bandai to release those updates to the entire PS3 system? *Furthermore (even if they did have the ability to release firmware updates), what if someone else like Tecmo wanted to release an update for one of their old games? *How would they be able to keep the version numbers okay? *I mean, Namco/Bandai and Tecmo can't BOTH make firmware update 2.70 - because then who's version would get installed? *And good golly what confusion it would cause if you installed Tecmo's version and tried to play the Namco/Bandai game - or worse, because the firmwares are sequentially numbered 2.10, 2.20, 2.30 does that mean you have to download other people's firmwares just to get up to the version you want/need to play a game?

You are mistaken to think that firmware updates are only for backwards compatability. *So, let me give you a rundown of the firmwares that did affect backwards compatability:
1.31
1.50
1.51
1.70
1.80
1.92
2.01
2.10
2.17
2.36
2.42

Out of 34 firmware updates to the PS3, only 12 of them have improved backwards compatability (2 of those have only affected PS games, not PS2 games). *That's almost a whole 1/3! * Not even the majority of firmware updates improves backwards compatability. *I guess Sony is more focused on giving people other stuff like the in-game XMB, or the ability to edit playlists and listen to music at the same time... *Or the new organization of the PlayStation Store that makes it easier to find stuff... Oh and one of my favorites is the ability to play DivX videos! *Of course there's the firmware update to add DualShock 3 support, as well as the update to add support for Bluetooth remotes and headsets. *And then, oh gosh, the firmware updates that improved the graphics rendering capabilities. *But maybe you're right, we can probably just lump these firmware updates all together into the "backwards compatability" category. *No one will notice.*

[ronaki]

haha its a contest of who can post the longest explanation jmk1999 yer gonna get burried in text

[TigerC10]

RONAKI wrote:
haha its a contest of who can post the longest explanation jmk1999 yer gonna get burried in text



Oh be quiet you, you're not helping.

[Yaheard2008ep]

Wow great info cause I always wonder if it would play cause I assumed that Sony will stop updating the BC after a while cause they have moved on doing other project like 160 ps3 and trying to working on a slimmer version. To be honest it would be cheaper just to purchase a ps2 cause it like 59.99 at ebgames or gamestop.

[darksora2993]

ok im officaly cunfused does anyone have the condensed version???

[jmk1999]

RONAKI wrote:
haha its a contest of who can post the longest explanation jmk1999 yer gonna get burried in text



yes, please be quiet... for someone who's only made 4 posts in the forums, you're sure accumulating some winning posts here. i'm not trying to argue, compete, or any of the sort, so please keep your hands off that keyboard if you don't have anything worthy to contribute.



as for tiger:

yes, i know that the majority of the updates are for the actual system and any updates to the store, funtionality, etc. etc... i was simply referring to the updates that improved backwards compatibility... whether those updates are made by namco-bandai and submitted to sony (which is what i was referring to mainly) or sony simply does it all on their own, i don't know... don't really care... i was more hoping that we'd ensure the updates would happen in a timely manner this time. i know there's the ps2 emulator update which i downloaded upon setting up my ps3. although the additional updates to firmware are required for a number of games to work fully and up to par with the way they were meant to be played on the ps2 (or sometimes to even be recognized at all, as was the case with a number of ps2 games i had). all this arguing is, as i assumed, simply a mistake in communication on both our parts. i already knew exactly what the updates are for... so maybe i didn't word my comment correctly to begin with. if i'm understanding you correctly, then all that needed to be said would simply be: "i believe that sony is in charge of ensuring that backwards compatibility will be fully functional with this game... not namco-bandai. whether this will occur upon the time of release or require a firmware update is yet to be determined."

again... point being... i hope that whoever is in charge of ensuring that this game will work correctly will do so in a timely fashion (preferably upon release). better?

[TigerC10]

JMK1999 wrote:
all this arguing is, as i assumed, simply a mistake in communication on both our parts.



Precisely. *And yeah, it's all Sony's deal. *Don't mistakenly take it out on Namco/Bandai. *And be fair to the companies, you're assuming the game won't work when it comes out. *It might not have any problems at all. *But if it does come out and if it doesn't work, take it to Sony and complain.

[jmk1999]

hopefully there's some good incentives for reserving... cause otherwise i'm simply gonna wait to find out if it works from other people. we'll see.

[TigerC10]

Usually the only incentive is a badge to wear on your profile with this website. *There's not much they can do with a PS2 game, except offer a soundtrack or naruto keychain of some sort. *Although a soundtrack would be totally worth it. *Then again, if there were any pre-order bonuses I'm sure they would have made an announcement by now - it's getting really close to the release date.

[hakkairu]

I have both a ps2 and ps3 so i could care less about ps2 patch updates on the ps3. Not to sound mean or anything, but instead of all this arguing, wouldn't it be easier to just go buy a ps2, they're like super cheap now.